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Tue, 08 April 2008 15:22   |
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nilla899- I hear you on that. I have to say for me it's a bit personal as my FSIL and her hubby own a lovely little coffee shop in my Brooklyn neighborhood, where they serve exclusively fair-trade brews and teas, provide free wi-fi for their customers and free health insurance for their baristas.
They are struggling to get by while maintaining their ethical business practices. So, when a Stinkbucks opened up in the hood with a huge sign advertising "the best espresso in the neighborhood" well, it made my blood boil.
"You don't stop having the responsibility to be a decent person just because life is hard. " -Archy
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| Re: Who do you boycott and why? [message #843039] |
Thu, 10 April 2008 14:47 |
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| nilla899 wrote on Tue, 08 April 2008 15:46 |
A Curious Dream I also prefer my local coffee shop to Starbucks, I just think that Starbucks gets a bad rep simply because of its ubiquity when, in fact, it is quite conscientious (for a large corporation).
I agree that Starbucks needs to up the ante in its environmental efforts but I still prefer the recycled paper cups to the styrofoam offerings at the two independent shops in my neighborhood!
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Ubiquity and pretension ("tall"? "venti"? get over yourselves!) and the little creepy stuff like the whole "third place" thing. I mean, Dunkin Donuts is a chain too, and they're pretty ubiquitous around here, but they aren't trying to fool you that they're your own special little coffee shop that's nothing like the one two blocks away.
"I smell like a government mule" - Chanda
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| Re: Who do you boycott and why? [message #843192] |
Thu, 10 April 2008 17:03 |
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I am about to give into an Urban purchase (thank you incentive package). The have the exclusive rights to some of my favorite cameras and there isn't much I can do about that.
I am torn.
Ming, I know right where you live. I have no idea how people are going to park to shop at that Urban! [/hijack]
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| Why my list is short: [message #843315] |
Thu, 10 April 2008 21:07 |
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This article sums up my feelings about boycotting:
Why boycotting isn't as effective as in the past
I'm so glad I remembered which article it was after IB came back! 
-edited to fix ugly link and grammar
[Updated on: Thu, 10 April 2008 22:03]
"It is better to light one small candle than to curse the darkness" Confucious
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| Re: Why my list is only 2 stores [message #843318] |
Thu, 10 April 2008 21:12 |
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Whoa! I made a very ugly link... wtf is FUDcode? I'm so behind the times.
"It is better to light one small candle than to curse the darkness" Confucious
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| Re: Who do you boycott and why? [message #843338] |
Thu, 10 April 2008 21:54 |
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Ming, do you have an H & M anywhere near you? A lot of their clothes are more trendy than I feel comfortable wearing, but I have a lot of nicer tees from them that have held up to repeated washings. I was really impressed by reading all their Corporate Responsibility reports on their labor practices, because it seems like they are very transparent about their overseas manufacturers. Though I do still shop at Gap and Old Navy some, I try to buy more at H & M when I can. I know they have fewer US locations, and it doesn't look like there is one in ATL, but even if you can get to one on an out of town trip you can stock up on tee shirts!
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| Re: Who do you boycott and why? [message #843347] |
Thu, 10 April 2008 22:15 |
coffeeninja
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The H&M's in Atlanta are not open yet. Stupid building delays.
Uhh, not that I know. I most certainly did not call the administrative office of the mall to ask when H&M is opening. No way.
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| Re: Who do you boycott and why? [message #843349] |
Thu, 10 April 2008 22:16 |
Ming
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| coffeeninja wrote on Thu, 10 April 2008 17:03 |
I am about to give into an Urban purchase (thank you incentive package). The have the exclusive rights to some of my favorite cameras and there isn't much I can do about that.
I am torn.
Ming, I know right where you live. I have no idea how people are going to park to shop at that Urban! [/hijack]
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CoffeeNinja, I actually don't live by the new UO but since I live in The Ghetto I have to drive elsewhere for groceries, errands etc. My SO lives in Candler Park so that general area is good for all sorts of running around.
Oh, and cool camera!
Jester, we don't have an H & M yet but should be getting one in town although I can't stand the area it's going into and would have to make a special trip. I have been in them all over the place though and honestly never find a thing! Is it just me? I'll give it a try again though.
I was going to boycott a nursery chain (plants not kids) because 2 of the 10 bushes I bought died. They were bought later than the others and didn't look great when I bought them but I find that usually plants can bounce back if they are healthy (and they were the last 2 of this type left in Atlanta last spring). But they didn't make it. And in actuality this type of screening tree/bush often has problems. The manager at the nursery essentially told me it was my fault and that this tree/bush never had problems. Uh, ok. Except that I got my information for the Dean of the College of Architecture and his background is landscape architecture. Ya'd think he'd know, right?
I went back and used up my money on various fertilizers, bird feeders and decorative items. But the nursery chain has been bought by another company. See ya!
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| Re: Who do you boycott and why? [message #843351] |
Thu, 10 April 2008 22:26 |
jester
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| Ming wrote on Thu, 10 April 2008 22:16 |
I have been in them all over the place though and honestly never find a thing! Is it just me? I'll give it a try again though.
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I think one of the most noticeable things is that they kind of have jr.s clothes and then women's clothes, but different stores have different departments, and the departments aren't always clearly delineated. So while their "youth" clothes look completely silly on me (when they even fit), their ladies shirts seem to work great. At least that's been my experience.
/end H & M hijack.
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| Re: Who do you boycott and why? [message #843543] |
Fri, 11 April 2008 11:21 |
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[quote title=Ming wrote on Thu, 10 April 2008 23:16]| coffeeninja wrote on Thu, 10 April 2008 17:03 |
the Dean of the College of Architecture and his background is landscape architecture.
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I'm going to keep hijacking this thread for my own little Atlanta tangents. Aforementioned dean is one of my favorite people in the entire world.
And I despise Atlantic Station as well, but can't wait until we have an H&M.
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| Re: Who do you boycott and why? [message #843861] |
Fri, 11 April 2008 20:34 |
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Is there a non-wedding vendors ATL thread? I'm really interested in knowing more about SCAD and Savannah, and possibly Atlanta, as far as job or living options for when I leave the west coast in a few years. But I have nothing at all to contribute or ask about wedding-wise, and so wouldn't really want to hijack those topics.
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| Re: Who do you boycott and why? [message #843862] |
Fri, 11 April 2008 20:40 |
coffeeninja
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jester there is a meetup thread. I recall a thread for someone moving to Atlanta a while ago, but I think the meet-up thread is the most current. I seriously doubt anyone would mind if you asked questions in that thread. (I am sure they will set me straight if I am wrong)
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| Re: Who do you boycott and why? [message #843882] |
Fri, 11 April 2008 22:41 |
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Tomorrow at noon I'm going to a "hands across Harlem" demo. We're going to make a human chain from one end of 125th street to the other (Broadway to Lenox Avenue, at least) to protest the zoning decisions that are allowing Columbia to buy up people's homes and small businesses. Our slogan, "Harlem Is Not For Sale!" (F.y.i - for those who don't already know - I'm Italian American and many others who are planning to attend this demo, and live in or near Harlem, are "White." It's not a race issue - exclusively - it's a class issue. New York City is not only for the rich and their spoiled kids!)
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| Re: Who do you boycott and why? [message #844090] |
Sat, 12 April 2008 22:53 |
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| jester wrote on Fri, 11 April 2008 21:34 |
Is there a non-wedding vendors ATL thread? I'm really interested in knowing more about SCAD and Savannah, and possibly Atlanta, as far as job or living options for when I leave the west coast in a few years. But I have nothing at all to contribute or ask about wedding-wise, and so wouldn't really want to hijack those topics.
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I would not mind at all. Although I probably would mind if you asked about Savannah in the ATL thread, but I would just ignore your Savannah questions because I'm unlikely to have answers for them and the two cities have very little in common (other than SCAD, and, you know, being in the same state, but to me, it's crazy that they're in the same state because they're 4 1/2 hours apart, and I grew up in CT where 4 1/2 hours can get you through at least three states).
yeah, I've had some wine tonight.
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| Re: Who do you boycott and why? [message #844119] |
Sun, 13 April 2008 00:50 |
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| jester wrote on Thu, 10 April 2008 22:54 |
Ming, do you have an H & M anywhere near you? A lot of their clothes are more trendy than I feel comfortable wearing, but I have a lot of nicer tees from them that have held up to repeated washings. I was really impressed by reading all their Corporate Responsibility reports on their labor practices, because it seems like they are very transparent about their overseas manufacturers.
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Jester, I have heard that though H&M is good about certain things, at least up until 2007 there was still a lot of issues with the way they ran their company. I am not sure where things stand now. I found these links that go into the history of abuses:
http://www.nosweat.org.uk/node/256
http://www.nosweat.org.uk/node/255
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| Re: Who do you boycott and why? [message #844266] |
Sun, 13 April 2008 19:08 |
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RE: H&M--they've been mentioned in quite a few newspaper articles over here regarding their unsavory factories in Southeast Asia, so I don't know how much you can trust their own propaganda. It seems that much of their do-gooding is only to be trendy. And their clothes aren't made to last more than a season anyway. Sigh, not that I didn't wear one of their shitty t-shirts today. 
American Apparel may be a bit skeevy, but we all have our skeevy sides, and at least their t-shirts are sewn properly.
What do I boycott?
Well, anything related to the meat industry or animal testing (that's a lot), most fast food chains, ASDA (UK discount store owned by Walmart), Coca-Cola due to its anti-union policies, mistreatment of workers, and environmental havoc-wreaking (and that's a hard one, cause Coca-Cola seems to own half the world), Chiquita and the other shitty banana companies for all the crap they pull in Columbia, and Kraft. I think that about covers it.
ETA: Forgot to mention Converse/Nike for their use of sweat shops.
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"I'm going to go eat some blatantly copied steampunk cake." ~ grandsophy
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| Re: Who do you boycott and why? [message #844269] |
Sun, 13 April 2008 19:25 |
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| missgolightly wrote on Sun, 06 April 2008 22:38 |
Lululemon-for marketing their yoga clothing to have ridiculous health benefits and for making their staff attend sessions with Landmark Education.
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oh i'm so with you. i hate lululemon with a passion. they charge $97 for a pair of sweatpants and say they have slimming and health benefits because they're made with some type of seaweed, which is largely a boldfaced lie [it's been researched and proven to be false].
and the fact that a huge portion of the people in vancouver wear that stuff out all the time because they think they're so important for spending their entire paycheque for it just makes me sad. it's a cult.
i also refuse to buy anything from the body shop. it might be because i'm a former employee of lush cosmetics, and may be biased, but the fact i get migraines from being in their store just doesn't sit right with me. i have strong chemical sensitivity, and i really just can't be in there for any periods of time. but i was absolutely fine spending 8+ hours in lush every day. so it doesn't make me feel right about using the body shop's products.
and you know, the usual suspects -- fast food, big box stores, etc.
oh and the subway here because they have really poor food storage/handling practices. poor hygiene and even poorer customer service. its scary!
[we are vagabonds, we travel without seatbelts on, we live this close to death.]
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Sun, 13 April 2008 19:37 |
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ohh and i'll also take a local coffee shop over starbucks any day. maybe it's because in vancouver there's a starbucks on every corner and you just get sick of seeing them, but i think they're overly pretentious and over priced, and they don't even make their espresso shots correctly. the coffee's just not that good, and the shots are made mechanically instead of manually tamping them so they're almost always bitter.
and local coffee shops are just cuter, and friendlier, and put more of an effort in. i appreciate that muchly. it makes for a much nicer atmosphere. and generally better coffee.
</rant>
[we are vagabonds, we travel without seatbelts on, we live this close to death.]
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| Re: Who do you boycott and why? [message #846431] |
Fri, 18 April 2008 08:32 |
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i refer to the Coop America's responsible shopper guide quite a bit. They provide useful information on environmental/labor violations, and also a list of a corporation's different brands and affiliates. It is overwhelming, for sure, but really enlightening.
http://www.coopamerica.org/programs/rs/
In general i am trying to consume less unnecessary stuff, buy local, grow my own food, buy second-hand. Anyway, i also recognize it is a luxury to be able to grow my own food and spend time researching labor practices.
another great link:
http://www.storyofstuff.org
ETA 2nd link
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If you reveal your secrets to the wind you should not blame the wind for revealing them to the trees.
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| Re: Who do you boycott and why? [message #846432] |
Fri, 18 April 2008 08:33 |
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ps. coffeeninja- i got a lot of my cameras second hand... though i have to admit i got a fish-eye lomo from UO last year. anyway, i have seen some new editions of dianas in b&h catalogs as well.
If you reveal your secrets to the wind you should not blame the wind for revealing them to the trees.
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| Re: Who do you boycott and why? [message #846442] |
Fri, 18 April 2008 09:15 |
coffeeninja
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I have the purple fish-eye. I think I will just wait until someone puts the minty diana on ebay.
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Fri, 18 April 2008 10:31 |
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No, I know. I have quite a few Lomo cameras. Of course, that is why I want the limited edition colors. I already own 2 Diana's. I want the minty one! (Damnit)
ETA: I prefer modified Holga lenses for weddings. I have a lens cap with a Holga lens mounted to it that I use with my digital. Hey! I used the disposable camera for a show I was in recently. I prefer the red flash over the green.
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| Re: Who do you boycott and why? [message #846486] |
Fri, 18 April 2008 10:43 |
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I avoid Wal-mart at all costs, for around 125 different reasons-everything from the way their workers are abused, to what the mega stores do to communities, to their refusal to offer all FDA approved contraceptives, etc, etc.
I also have been boycotting Nestle for about 12 years, due to what they have done to babies with commercial formula in poorer countries. I admit though, that the occasional Nestle product has flown under the radar and landed in my home.
Rather than boycotting everyone who pisses me off, I try to spend my money with companies that I like.
Starbucks- yes, they are a corporate giant but they are also the reason we are even seeing Fair Trade coffee anywhere. I applaud their efforts to ensure the economic stability of their farmers. They aren't perfect, but they do make an effort. I also like that they offer benefits to all of their employees and they are affordable- unlike most company benefits.
Made In America- I really do try to purchase items that are made in America though it is getting harder and harder to do so. I want to help keep my neighbors employed as long as possible and I really do think the working conditions here are better than anywhere else.
I try to purchase my goods and services from local independents as much as humanly possible- even if it means shelling out a few pennies more.
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| Re: Who do you boycott and why? [message #846491] |
Fri, 18 April 2008 10:50 |
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(slightly snipped) ohh and i'll also take a local coffee shop over starbucks any day… but i think they're overly pretentious and over priced, and they don't even make their espresso shots correctly. the coffee's just not that good, and the shots are made mechanically instead of manually tamping them so they're almost always bitter.
and local coffee shops are just cuter, and friendlier, and put more of an effort in. i appreciate that muchly. it makes for a much nicer atmosphere. and generally better coffee.
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I've always figured that Starbucks' regular coffee is crappy to entice customers to buy the more overpriced specialty drinks. I also don't go into Starbucks often, but I have a friend who considers it her second home. I often just go in and stand in line with her and don't order anything. This is easier for me to do now that I've given up caffeine.
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I had a prof who 'worked with' Wal-Mart on human rights issues concerning overseas manufacturers. He said trying to have a logical conversation with them was nearly impossible. Actually he compared them to Chinese Communist Party officials. Instead of quoting Mao they quote Chairman Walton.
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This is actually a very interesting comparison to me. I used to live in the area where Wal-Mart is based and I once struck up a conversation in a bar with a woman who worked in their IT system. She told me that Wal-Mart's computer system is the second-largest in the world. Second only to the Chinese government's.
For dozens of reasons (the way they treat their personnel, shady business practices, etc.) I don't shop at Wal-Mart. I will confess to buying our wedding booze from Sam's Club. That wasn't my first choice, but my choice was vetoed. I still felt bad about it, even though it was the only thing I'd bought at Wal-Mart in at least eight years. When I lived in their area and had to cover Wal-Mart issues for a story I always dreaded it. Their media spokespeople were an absolute nightmare.
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| Re: Who do you boycott and why? [message #846576] |
Fri, 18 April 2008 12:44 |
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Here's another reason to like Starbucks: they never deny their restrooms to non-customers. In NYC, it can be really hard to find a place to pee. But I know I can always walk into a Starbucks and use their loo, without having to buy anything. (of course, since this policy is well-known, that means there are sometimes long lines for the loos, and they're not always the cleanest but it's still really helpful). I am also grateful, as a New Yorker with the typical tiny apartment, to have Starbucks as a convenient place to meet with clients. I don't have a home office, so don't feel comfortable inviting them to my apartment. Instead, I usually suggest meeting at the nearest Starbucks to their home or work-place. Once there, you can buy a cup of coffee and stay to talk as long as you like; no one bothers you or hassles you to vacate the table.
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| Re: Who do you boycott and why? [message #849286] |
Fri, 25 April 2008 01:10 |
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I have been following this thread and thought other folks might appreciate a great little resource I picked up the other day for making choices between brands and companies, and giving credence to those choices:
Better World Shopping Guide
I got the printed book to have with me when shopping (it's about 3.5 inches tall and 0.25 inches thick, fits in my purse!) but the website has all of the content as well. Basically, it gives every major company in a wide swath of industries a grade A+ through F on environmental and social responsibility. They also give the supporting research, along with resources to do your own investigation. The shorthand in the book is perfect, quick and easy. I can't recommend it enough for folks who are making a conscious effort to be responsible, well-informed consumers.
What do I boycott? Bottled water, big box stores, and industrialized meat (veggiesaurus generally, open to possibly eating chicken offered through my Community Supported Agriculture program). All three have local, healthy, just as cheap alternatives that aren't environmental nightmares serving today's convenience at the cost of tomorrow's health, well-being, and resources. I think all three have been mentioned already as well
Edited to fix links! Thanks Flamekat
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October 11, 2008 - "Life is only life forevermore, together wing to wing and oar to oar."
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| Re: Who do you boycott and why? [message #849311] |
Fri, 25 April 2008 05:20 |
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Thanks for the info, GeekBride, but your links are screwy. Looks like you quoted kvetch within them.
ETA:
http://www.betterworldshopper.org/
You can even download it to your iPod. Cool.
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"I'm going to go eat some blatantly copied steampunk cake." ~ grandsophy
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| Re: Who do you boycott and why? [message #849539] |
Fri, 25 April 2008 16:48 |
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Gardenburger got a C?!? Strange.
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| Re: Who do you boycott and why? [message #850596] |
Tue, 29 April 2008 02:22 |
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After reading this article, I now boycott FedEx. Not that I can afford them anyway for personal deliveries. But hopefully next time I work in an office, I will be able to avoid using them.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/20/business/20work.html?_r=1& amp;scp=7&sq=fedex&st=nyt&oref=slogin
I've avoided Proctor & Gamble products for at least a decade because of animal cruelty I read about in high school. I don't know what their practices are now, but it still freaks me out that so many brands fall under their umbrella.
Lately, I've been avoiding Unilever products, although, admittedly, I use Dove deodorant. I just found it hypocritical that they own Dove, with their real beauty campaign, and Axe, whose commercials I tend to find offensive.
Beer brands with sexist ads. I love beer and most of those brands marketed to men, which often use sex, are crappy anyway.
Chiquita, Dominos, Walmart.
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| Re: Who do you boycott and why? [message #850600] |
Tue, 29 April 2008 02:47 |
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| miyocki wrote on Tue, 29 April 2008 02:22 |
I've avoided Proctor & Gamble products for at least a decade because of animal cruelty I read about in high school. I don't know what their practices are now, but it still freaks me out that so many brands fall under their umbrella.
Lately, I've been avoiding Unilever products, although, admittedly, I use Dove deodorant. I just found it hypocritical that they own Dove, with their real beauty campaign, and Axe, whose commercials I tend to find offensive.
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Proctor & Gamble and Unilever are both still on Peta's (and others') lists of companies that test on animals. It is seriously hard to find an antiperspirant that is not made by either of them, or other companies that aren't cruelty-free. And I totally agree with you about how horribly offensive Axe commercials are. Luckily, my DH is just as skeeved out by them as I am, so I don't think we ever have to worry about giving them our money.
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| Re: Who do you boycott and why? [message #850613] |
Tue, 29 April 2008 07:32 |
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| miyocki wrote on Tue, 29 April 2008 03:22 |
Lately, I've been avoiding Unilever products, although, admittedly, I use Dove deodorant. I just found it hypocritical that they own Dove, with their real beauty campaign, and Axe, whose commercials I tend to find offensive.
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Unilever owns Ben & Jerry's. Just saying.
Decor takes a lot of fucking time and energy, Nimby. You chose not to do decor. That's fuckin' fabulous for you! Not everybody will make that same choice. ~ Oktoberfiesta
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