| DIY music - how to guide [message #285944] |
Thu, 17 February 2005 10:05  |
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I posted this in the Summer '05 IB thread at the request of several other IBs and thought I'd cross post it here for anyone it might help.
I was a DJ on radio and in clubs for six years, and did private parties and raves for four years after that. (In case you are wondering if I'm just a really big geek. )
ari's very long and hopefully simple guide to being your own DJ with a laptop or iPod and some rented equipment
I googled "audio equipment rental boston" to come up with local places. You can do that for your town or check your yellow pages.
You will need
1. speakers large enough to accommodate your space. (discuss this with your rental equipment place - find out the approximate dimensions of the room from your site coordinator. How high the ceilings are makes a big difference in sound quality. The bass needs to hit the ceiling and bounce back for full sound and if your ceilings are high - you'll need large speakers or an extra subwoofer)
2. an amplifier with sufficient power for the speakers you have selected. (more than you ever wanted to know about how speakers work)
3. something to out put music (CD player, turntables, laptop, MP3 player) that can be plugged into the amplifier or a mixing console. (tape decks are a bad idea.)
4. heavy duty speaker cable long enough to place the speakers where you want them and with the appropriate plugs for your speakers.
5. if using an iPod - a dock and monster cable stereo connector or a laptop with RCA cables that can plug into an amp. I believe they would plug into the headphone jack on your laptop which is an Audio out.
6. A power strip and heavy duty extension cord
7. A table for your laptop or MP3 player and someone to keep an eye on it! ( a lock is a very good idea for the laptop) The iPod can be safely held in someone's purse or pocket until needed.
(optional items)
1. A four track mixing console if you are using turntables or CD players and want the true DJ experience - or if you plan on using things like microphones.
2. a microphone
3. duct tape to tape down cables so people do not trip over them.
4. stereo head phones - if you are using a console and mixing music old school.
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The set up is very simple and actually logical. Nothing should be powered on during set up. You can blow the speakers or shock yourself.
The speaker cables plug into the back of the amplifier in the space marked OUT and the music source plugs into the IN. Music goes from the source (mixer, laptop, MP3 player) into the amplifier which amplifies it and sends it into the speakers where it comes out and is audible.
A little flow chart of how the sound travels:
(scenario one)
(iPod)--> (amplifier)--> (speakers)
(scenario two)
(laptop)--> (amplifier)--> (speakers)
(scenario three)
(iPod/laptop/CD players)--|
..................................(mixer)--> (amplifier)--> (speakers)
(microphone)--------------|
HELPFUL HINTS:
Make sure your iPod is charged and bring the AC cable so you can plug it in and don't have to worry about it running out of juice. Same with laptop.
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How to setup
Make sure everything is turned off and all volume controls are on the lowest settings on the amplifier, mixers, iPod, or laptop.
1. Place the iPod and its dock, or your laptop on the table. put the amp next to it (unless it is in wheeled case in which case you can stand it next to the table)
2. Put the speakers where you want them
3. Run speaker cable from the speakers to the amp and plug the cables into the back of the speakers and into the back of the amplifier into the OUT plugs.
4. Plug the monster cable or RCA cable into your laptop or iPod Dock and then into the back of the amplifier.
5. Plug all the power cords into the power strip and plug that into a wall outlet (you may need an extension cord).
6. If the power strip has an on/off switch - flip it on. They usually light up red when they are on.
7. Power on the amplifier after making sure it is on the lowest settings. It should have dials or slides that look like volume controls. If there are two for left and right then - turn them both up or both down as needed.
8. Turn up the controls a little on the amplifier and test out your system. Make sure sound is coming out of all your speakers.
Music sounds different in an empty room than it does in a room full of people. So you may have to play with the sound levels to get them right.
With a mixing board:
If you are using a mixer pick a slide or dial for the music and plug into that jack. Let's say we pick channel one.
If you are using a microphone plug that into your mixer on a different jack than the music. And make note of which one you picked. Labeling them might be a good idea. Masking tape will work fine and can be easily removed.
Instead of plugging the laptop or iPod into the amplifier as above you would plug the mixer into the amplifier instead. The components (laptop, iPod, microphones, turntables, etc plug into the mixer) so you can switch from one to the other and control what comes out of the speakers.
If you are playing music and want to change to the microphone you slide the #1 dial or slide control (called a "pot") down to zero and the #2 pot up (not all the way!!) so that the microphone can be heard coming out of the speakers instead. You can get fancy and have them both coming together so that the speaking can be heard over the music by turning down pot #1 to a lower lever and turning up pot #2 so that the mic is audible over the music.
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Please ask me questions or let me know if I typed up anything crazy. And do not be afraid. If you can hook up a CD player or home stereo you can handle this equipment. 
You might also be able to hire the equipment place to set it up for you too if you are leery.
If the space between songs on an iPod or regular play list bugs you (as it does me) you can download mixing software or I am pretty sure use Garage Band on iLife for Mac to mix the songs together and create several hours of premixed seguewayed music. It won't have the spark of a live DJ who is good at playing to the crowd but it is a lot cheaper and no cheesy talkovers of songs you hate.
[Updated on: Wed, 27 April 2005 11:19]
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| Re: DIY music - how to guide [message #286109] |
Thu, 17 February 2005 12:15   |
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ari - great post. Thanks for all the advise. We are doing the mp3 player thing. I'm going to print out the thread for my FH.
One more question for you. Do you have any advise for the order of songs? Is there some good formula for # of slow songs and # of fast songs? Is it good to alternate fast song, slow song, fast song? Some combination like 3 fast, 2 slow?
We are planning on playing a variety of music types too. Is it good to group say all the country songs in one block, all the pop songs in another, and all the classics in another? Or is it better to mix it all up.
Any advise you have would be a great help. Again, thanks for all the help so far!
-Jen
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| Re: DIY music - how to guide [message #286204] |
Thu, 17 February 2005 13:18   |
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Wow ari! Thanks for the advise and detailed reply. It makes me feel good that we've ripped a few of the songs on your list. My FH absolutely refuses to play "I Will Survive." :-) There were some on your list I hadn't thought of though that would be good and I know a few of our guests would enjoy. My brother requested "Baby Got Back" but I'm still struggling with including that one. :-)
Thanks so much!!
-Jen
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| Re: DIY music - how to guide [message #287629] |
Fri, 18 February 2005 14:52   |
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Lurker here. Thank you so much for posting this. We are renting a sound system and using playlists on our laptop in place of hiring a dj. Your advice will make setting it up much less scary! I just bookmarked this thread.
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| Re: DIY music - how to guide [message #288657] |
Sat, 19 February 2005 23:44   |
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Some others:
Stuck In The Middle
anything by CCR, or so it seems.
Brown Eyed Girl
Sweet Home Alabama
Hard Days Night
Cecilia (Simon and Garfunkel, baby!)
Before you judge someone, walk a mile in their shoes . . . because then you're a mile away and you have their shoes.
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Even Jesus hates Creed.
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| Re: DIY music - how to guide [message #288984] |
Sun, 20 February 2005 19:52   |
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nevermind
[Updated on: Fri, 24 June 2005 01:19]
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| Re: DIY music - how to guide [message #289792] |
Mon, 21 February 2005 18:12   |
ari Messages: 2864
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Without being able to look at your system I can't say for sure.
You should be able to hook a mic up - I think. You should make sure that the mic plug is compatible with your stereo. It might need an adapter if it is too big.
You could rent a mic and speaker set up that is separate possibly?
You should probably talk to the place where you are planning to rent the microphone and see what they have to offer.
The mixer/amp with a mic combo was only for a rented PA system.
eta: You also need to be concerned with feedback when using mics. Make sure you have someone who can set it up for you, someone who knows not to turn is way up and also to keep it away from speakers (which causes feedback).
You should experiment ahead of time and make sure the whole system works. This is not something you want to try for the first time on your wedding day.
[Updated on: Mon, 21 February 2005 18:25]
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| Re: DIY music - how to guide [message #303151] |
Wed, 09 March 2005 19:51   |
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Ari, you rock so much.
There was another thread (or twelve) about DIY music around here somewhere, and Lofty Dirigible had a bomb-ass music list. I wonder if I can find it...
"I'd much rather be gorgeous and deadly, but I'll settle for cute and ruthless."
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| Re: DIY music - how to guide [message #340500] |
Sun, 17 April 2005 16:29   |
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Ari, can you give a guestimation on the cost of doing this "right" the way you've outlined? Say you're starting with just a good laptop, a pretty good music collection, and some decent speakers, and your dance room is relatively small, i.e. in a historic home, not a hotel ball room. I'm thinking of DIYing everything *but* hiring someone, say, an engineer from the local high school radio station, just to run the stuff (so that nobody in attendance needs to worry about that). But if the equipment, etc. costs, you know, say $200, $300, I'm not sure it's a cost-effective enterprise anymore. Thoughts?
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| Re: DIY music - how to guide [message #341553] |
Mon, 18 April 2005 19:33   |
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J-Lau... Sounds like you already have nearly everything you need except the amplifier and a mike (if you want to do some announcing). If your room is fairly small, and you don't need much amplifying power (and portability is important)... the Powerwave might be perfect for you. I bought one before my wedding (though we didn't us it... we ended up renting a speaker system so we wouldn't have to lug speakers to the site ourselves), and it would have totally done the trick. It costs $99, it's only about 6" wide, and you can wire your speakers into it, plug your mike into, and plug your laptop into it.
celticsuncat, the other great DIY musice thread is Question For Those who Made Their Own Music.
We had so much fun doing our own music, and it was a big hit. I just went my first wedding since ours last weekend, and I can truly attest to how much better our homemade DJ went off than their stale, canned DJ. (Of course, ours probably seemed great to me because I got to pick the tunes!)
*ETA: Oh, I think you were talking about my playlist... it's here. Disclaimer: Does not reflect my personal everyday taste in music... just wanted a playlist that everyone would have fun dancing to, but at the same time wouldn't make me want to curl up and twitch in a corner.
[Updated on: Mon, 18 April 2005 19:59] It's L.D. under cover. The Lord loves a working man, don't trust whitey, see a doctor and get rid of it.
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| Re: DIY music - how to guide [message #341568] |
Mon, 18 April 2005 19:41   |
celticsuncat Messages: 5199
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Thank you! 
We're just getting around to actually figuring out how we're going to do this stuff. I feel like I'm putting together a complicated bicycle - I have all the instructions, but still have no idea what the bike will look like when it's all put together.
"I'd much rather be gorgeous and deadly, but I'll settle for cute and ruthless."
-- squirrelx.diaryland.com
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| Re: DIY music - how to guide [message #349203] |
Tue, 26 April 2005 12:06   |
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Are you guys nuts.
It like the MasterCard ad but backwards.
Reception for 100 people $10,000
Cake $500.00
A veggie platter $250.00
Open Bar $3500.00
DIY music (mostly gotten without paying for it) priceless...
So will your wedding memories after you screw it up. You might as well hire a cheap cheap DJ. I least you have someone else to blame.
A good DJ or Band will make your wedding awesome....
Just my two cents..
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| Re: DIY music - how to guide [message #349243] |
Tue, 26 April 2005 12:29   |
celticsuncat Messages: 5199
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Problem is, most DJ's aren't cheap cheap. And the ones that are will definitely "screw it up." If "a good DJ or band will make your wedding awesome," why hire a cheap cheap one? And since we'd have to burn cd's for any DJ we would hire (I can guarantee they will not have 90% of our playlist), why the fuck would I pay someone when I'm doing all the work? Especially if they're going to screw it up. I can "screw it up" myself for much less.
We are looking at hiring a high school kid to watch the laptop and stuff, though - so nobody runs off with it or goes digging through the playlist in the middle of dance time. Just someone to keep an eye on it. We could leave it totally unattended, but I'd rather have someone on-hand to handle it.
[Updated on: Tue, 26 April 2005 12:31] "I'd much rather be gorgeous and deadly, but I'll settle for cute and ruthless."
-- squirrelx.diaryland.com
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| Re: DIY music - how to guide [message #349368] |
Tue, 26 April 2005 13:27   |
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Anon, two cents is just about what your comment was worth.
I did the DIY music at my wedding at it was a complete success. They had to shut us down. The floor was packed the entire time, and everyone had a great time. (I've got plenty of pictures to prove it if you think this is just a bride's own perception of her own reception).
I just went to a wedding last weekend with a hired DJ, and it was horrible. Nobody danced but moms and grandmas. Paying ridiculous sums of money for someone else to spin music isn't a guarantee that people will have fun. As long as someone has enough sense to make a playlist that has a little bit of something for everyone, chances are the DJ will never be missed (or people will be happy to see him gone).
I'm not sure what your trip is, anon, but just because you can't envision a way to make it a success doesn't mean nobody else can. Why be such a curmudgeon? What's the point?
It's L.D. under cover. The Lord loves a working man, don't trust whitey, see a doctor and get rid of it.
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| Re: DIY music - how to guide [message #349942] |
Tue, 26 April 2005 20:19   |
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Glad to hear you were such a hit - what about some songs - in case ido try it myself?
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| Re: DIY music - how to guide [message #350380] |
Wed, 27 April 2005 11:16   |
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I was a professional DJ for ten years anon. Why would I hire one?
And what makes you think any of us are spending that much on a wedding!? Many of us are spending 25% of that overall. Dolt.
J Lau I think small speakers and amp rent for about $100.
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| Re: DIY music - how to guide [message #350482] |
Wed, 27 April 2005 12:06   |
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Anon, my songs are all linked in a previous post in this thread. Did you read the thread before you bashed it?
(My apologies if I'm overreacting. I'm just fed up with snarky anonymity, and I'm snarking back a bit.)
It's L.D. under cover. The Lord loves a working man, don't trust whitey, see a doctor and get rid of it.
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| Re: DIY music - how to guide [message #351825] |
Thu, 28 April 2005 13:12   |
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Suncatboy put a thing up on myspace.com and this kid was someone who answered. We like him, 'cause he's nice and will do what we tell him. Everyone else who answered the 'please watch our laptop' ad was all 'I'm a dj but I don't do announcments' and 'I'll come, but I won't do X or X.' This kid seems to be the only one who gets it - we're paying and feeding him to hook up the stuff and sit there, that's it. But he had to ask his parents for permission.
"I'd much rather be gorgeous and deadly, but I'll settle for cute and ruthless."
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| Re: DIY music - how to guide [message #353280] |
Fri, 29 April 2005 14:32   |
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His dad apparently used to be a DJ, so his dad is all excited for him. I'm excited for the kid, because he is so excited to do it.
I think we're paying him $200 + gas + dinner. Which seems like a total freakin' fortune when you're 16.
actually, it still seems like a fortune to me
"I'd much rather be gorgeous and deadly, but I'll settle for cute and ruthless."
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| Re: DIY music - how to guide [message #357061] |
Wed, 04 May 2005 09:15   |
celticsuncat Messages: 5199
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Hey, Lofty Dirgible, what did you do about lighting? It seems weird to me to just turn down the lights and have everyone on the dancefloor in the semidarkness. I'm used to flashy lights and disco balls when dancing. Did you use anything?
For some strange reason, I am obsessed with the dancefloor lighting.
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| Re: DIY music - how to guide [message #357707] |
Wed, 04 May 2005 15:39   |
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csc, the dancing was sort of in a separate room from the dinner for us, so there wasn't a distinct need for a visual separation (or disco balls!). There were some pretty nifty lights in there already, and we added some square shaped paper lanterns from shojidecor.com that gave it a really nice atmosphere.
There are a few photos in my wedding album at the fakey site here that show what the ceiling above the dance floor looked like.
It's L.D. under cover. The Lord loves a working man, don't trust whitey, see a doctor and get rid of it.
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| Re: DIY music - how to guide [message #357725] |
Wed, 04 May 2005 15:47   |
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Oh, bollocks. I was hoping to crib not only your music list but your innovative lighting design as well.
*goes back to drawing board*
"I'd much rather be gorgeous and deadly, but I'll settle for cute and ruthless."
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| Re: DIY music - how to guide [message #357908] |
Wed, 04 May 2005 18:40   |
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Naw, no flashdance at my wedding... but I just thought of a possible idea.
Are you going to be using a laptop/itunes?
What if you hooked up a projector and used one of the screen effects thingies and projected it onto the ceiling?
It's L.D. under cover. The Lord loves a working man, don't trust whitey, see a doctor and get rid of it.
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| Re: DIY music - how to guide [message #357969] |
Wed, 04 May 2005 19:45   |
celticsuncat Messages: 5199
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That would be so cool! I thought about that...especially if I could get video footage to go with our first dance song ("The Origin Of Love"). But the projectors I've seen are like $1200. Maybe I could find one on Ebay...
"I'd much rather be gorgeous and deadly, but I'll settle for cute and ruthless."
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| Re: DIY music - how to guide [message #358122] |
Thu, 05 May 2005 00:08   |
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To the lady in Kalamazoo...When and where are you getting married so I can come and laugh my way through your event. I have seen many people like you and while this thread is good for some it is also very misleading. If you are having a receptions in someones back yard and it is just a family casual get together this would work. If you are even buying a dress that you would call a wedding dress you should not torture your guest with your music interest. You should find a DJ and hire them to do your event. If it is not important what happens that day and what the people you are inviting to your party will think then go ahead and do this.
Just for the record because of demand (or lack of) DJ's in and around Kalamazoo make from $300 to $500 for a wedding. I can tell by your language though that you have it figured out and from what I can tell probably live in the Chateu area so you do your thing.
To many times I hear people saying "We were at so and so's wedding and they did the music and OMG is sucked sooo bad"
I had a friend that was a DJ and he thought he could do this except he OWNED professional equipment and knew what he was doing, and his event "bombed". It is to important of a day to take a chance on bad memories. You get one shot. If this is your 5th wedding in the past 4 years then yeah I guess I would try to save a few nickels to because you have to get ready for your next wedding in 7 months or after the baby is born.
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| Re: DIY music - how to guide [message #358174] |
Thu, 05 May 2005 07:00   |
celticsuncat Messages: 5199
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Quite clever, Anon...except I'm not getting married in Kalamazoo.
And why do you assume I wouldn't take my guests into account with the music choices? Not everyone is as self-centered as you are.
Excuse me, but neither 99% of my guests nor I listen to mainstream radio. So anyone advertising "if it's on the radio, we have it!!!" is going to do well at our event.
Will a mainstream DJ have "The Origin of Love," which we're using for our first dance? Will they play 3 Van Morrison songs in a row at my grandma's request? Will they have the Deadwood soundtrack to play during dinner? Will they have a clean copy of the Firefly theme for my dad and I to dance to? Will they even know who Sigur Ros are? I can tell you right now - the answer to all those questions is no.
And, actually, the last 4 weddings I've been to had professonal DJs and all anyone said about them was "oh, man, I had to leave early because the music was so awful!" In one case the DJ's terrible music choices (umm...Meatloaf? Puh-leeeze) single-handedly killed the reception. So bite me.
ETA: Also, I'd rather not be decked out in most things labeled a "wedding dress," thanks very much.
[Updated on: Thu, 05 May 2005 07:03] "I'd much rather be gorgeous and deadly, but I'll settle for cute and ruthless."
-- squirrelx.diaryland.com
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| Re: DIY music - how to guide [message #358179] |
Thu, 05 May 2005 07:14   |
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I'm using a DJ because I have neither the time nor the resources to DIY the music, but I would if I could, and as it is I am being very specific about the music and definitely subjecting my guests to my musical choices.
I have a friend who seemed to feel as you do Anon that only mainstream choices would make the guests happy, but frankly my guest list ranges from ages 2 to 80 and only a small handful are of the age to enjoy "mainstream" dance music. (Said friend's suggested song list would have been appropriate for a frat party.)
Frankly, I think CSC has a good plan. I'm paying a DJ for his music collection, equipment and willingness to do as I would have done if I could clone myself so I could watch the music and still enjoy the wedding. I would have preferred spending the money elsewhere.
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| Re: DIY music - how to guide [message #358184] |
Thu, 05 May 2005 07:18   |
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| Anonymous wrote on Thu, 05 May 2005 08:14 | I'm using a DJ because I have neither the time nor the resources to DIY the music, but I would if I could, and as it is I am being very specific about the music and definitely subjecting my guests to my musical choices.
I have a friend who seemed to feel as you do Anon that only mainstream choices would make the guests happy, but frankly my guest list ranges from ages 2 to 80 and only a small handful are of the age to enjoy "mainstream" dance music. (Said friend's suggested song list would have been appropriate for a frat party.)
Frankly, I think CSC has a good plan. I'm paying a DJ for his music collection, equipment and willingness to do as I would have done if I could clone myself so I could watch the music and still enjoy the wedding. I would have preferred spending the money elsewhere.
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| Re: DIY music - how to guide [message #358188] |
Thu, 05 May 2005 07:27   |
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I've sussed it: the snarky anon is really this guy. How nice of him to show up here and give his expert opinion on music as well!
"I'd much rather be gorgeous and deadly, but I'll settle for cute and ruthless."
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